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Re: Overwrite a corrupted file?

Pgr 1258454847|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Overwrite a corrupted file?

Hi

Apt does not have actions to move files around; you would have to get (or write) an application or DA that can do that action for you, and then use Apt to launch it from a button (or from many other possible triggers).

You could also try a different approach (could get complicated) of using the available Apt actions that manipulate UI elements to do the copy for you: something like launching a file manager application, navigating to the correct file, selecting "Copy" from a menu, etc.

Overwrite a corrupted file?

martinloat (guest) 1258448035|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Overwrite a corrupted file?

.cfg files are continually written to while an app is running; so any interruption results in corruption and losing access to the file, particularly if the app is on an SD card (e.g. TomTom GPS software is a particularly bad offender for this).
Is it possible to set up an Apt macro to overwrite a corrupt .cfg file with a known good reference copy at the push of a button?

Re: Is Apt Dead?

Pent 1258065302|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

I think/hope Android is going to get very big, there's heaps of phones coming.

It's pure java for programming Android. I had never used java, but jumping over from c++ was a doddle and the absence of pointer bugs/crashes and not having to do all the manual memory
management is a real time saver.

Thanks for the good intentions on the competition, but I'm pretty sure I won't win, it favours stuff that can be evaluated quickly (the software equivalent of a 'sound bite'). Also, I don't think the average android smartphone user is as technically adventurous as the average Apt user :-)

Pent

Re: Is Apt Dead?

Pgr 1258064139|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

I'm holding off for another year probably, I use my T|X as a PDA really, I can do without the mobile phone integration for now.

I have my eye on the Palm Pre… but there are some things about it that I dislike. I never really considered Android.

What languages do you use to program on Android? Good old C/C++? Or is it a browser/javascript thing?

PS - what can we do make you win the contest? Sign up a hundred times and vote for Tasker? :-)

Re: Is Apt Dead?

Pent 1258055805|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

Pgr,

Twas an awful long summer trying to get that thing ready for the competition, I can tell you.

Have to admit I tiled the kitchen walls and lounged on the couch a lot too though :-)

Oh, and BTW I have put you in my Tasker thanks list, I feel like you're one of the spiritual fathers…

BTW2 if you havn't moved on from PalmOS yet, I heartily recommend taking the plunge, it's a completely different world. I get all nostalgic and sad at 1src these days.

Pent

Re: Is Apt Dead?

Pgr 1258051269|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

Wow, Pent. You never cease to amaze me…

And I thought you were fixing your house or lying on the couch or something.

Re: Is Apt Dead?

Pent 1257965098|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

There's certainly scope for development of Apt to include more Treo features. I never had a Treo (well, only briefly) so never got round to that. Many of those things would not be too complicated to add, but of course it requires someone familiar with C and PalmOS.

I had intended to get a Treo and thence have some motivation to do this work, but then I was seduced by the Android Developer Challenge 2, and to be honest I'm glad I've moved on.

As a developer, it's nice to work with a modern development platform and OS, and a class-based language. I've actually written a 'next generation' Apt for Android: tasker.dinglisch.net.

This is as good a place as any to again thank all the people that gave me so much input and support for Apt; I've been able to use many of the suggestions and criticism to come up with e.g. a much better UI experience. I was also inspired to 'take a step back' and generalize away from application- based customization to 'context based customization', where an application is a context, but so is a time, a place, an event etc. and any combination of these can trigger a 'Task' (macro).

As far as Pgr's comment about 'freer platforms', I think I can compare PalmOS and Android quite authoritatively after my recent projects :-)

Android has total application insulation: for security reasons, it's not possible to intercept or inject (most) events while the user is interacting with a particular application. Hence Apt on PalmOS allows a much greater degree of control than Tasker on Android (inserting into fields, tapping buttons etc).
In addition, Android is quite restrictive about customization of hardware buttons.

However, aside from those Android is remarkably open and Tasker can do a lot of the things that Apt can do, plus an awful lot that it can't. Really cool is stuff like tilting the phone right to advance the music player etc.

Hope this post was of interest to some :-)

Pent

Re: Is Apt Dead?

wordsfailme 1257872252|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

I would like to include more Treo functionality (Launch Contacts, hold Side button, etc.), allow icons in the star menu, and add more variables and tag profiles. Of course, I'm sure there are many more possibilities, but those are the first few that come to mind.

Re: Is Apt Dead?

Jerome (guest) 1257803008|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

What would you like to add or see added to Apt?

Jerome

Re: Is Apt Dead?

wordsfailme 1257802664|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

Thanks for the quick response Jerome. I would love to be able to add features to Apt, but I have no idea where to begin researching the knowledge base. Do you have any suggestions as to where someone would get started learning how to write code for Apt, or do you think that this should only be tackled by an experienced PalmOS developer? Your opinion is greatly appreciated!

Re: Is Apt Dead?

Pgr 1257536233|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

Apt is not dead, but Apt development seems to be. It's hard to invest time into a dying platform, the motivation just seems to fade away… and the truth is that most straightforward enhancements to Apt have already been done; what's left to do is more complicated to develop, faces some tough technical challenges that would require some extra work, etc.

I guess that's where Pent left off, when there wasn't much to be gained from too much work… and the death of Palm OS just finished things off.

Of course, if you know programming, just go ahead and work on it - it's open source now.

I would love to know that even though Apt is coming to an end, the concept of per-app preferences and highly scriptable mobile devices would live on - but I seriously doubt that we'll be seeing freer platforms in the future. On the contrary, things seem to tend to more control to the device makers and service providers, less to the users.

I love several things about the Palm Pre, but it gives me the shivers to think of doing without Apt, NvBackup, etc…. things that multiply a platform's usability or reliability by an order of magnitude. Nobody should be allowed to build mobile platforms these days unless they included all these brilliant things that were done before on Palm OS!!! :-)

Sigh…

Re: Is Apt Dead?

Jerome (guest) 1257536146|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

The greatest thing about opensource is that anyone can contribute to a project. Should features be added or bugs be fixed, the whole community can participate, and make things better. This includes you. I've opened Apt because I found it to be a great product, it has helped me tremendously and therefore I wanted to give this back to the community, in the hope that it will help them as much.

I get the occasional criticism about not adding features to Apt, but in truth, it perfectly suits me as is, I wouldn't even know what to add to this outstanding piece of software. And if you have something in mind you would like to see added to it, well, the source code is directly downloadable, it's entirely up to you (and everyone) to make Apt better.

I wish I had time to invest in Apt, but other projects have a higher priority at this time, therefore, for the time being I'll be relying on the community to commit patches to Apt (which I will gladly add to the source tree) until I have time again to spend on this project.

Jerome

Is Apt Dead?

wordsfailme 1257530697|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Is Apt Dead?

Is there any more work being done on Apt? The last we heard, Jerome Ibanes had taken the project over and there was a lot of activity on these message boards, but after months of waiting for a version update, the excitement has all but faded out completely. Does anybody know what's going on with this? I know that PalmOS is pretty much extinct, but Apt gives my Treo more functionality than I could hope for and the potential for improving it further is great. Let's hear some other users thoughts and opinions on this, eh?

Re: Apt 2.0

technical1 1251906508|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Apt 2.0

Jerome,

I just had an idea, based on a long standing annoyance I've had w/Blazer or Web on my Centro.

It seems that if I inadvertantly press the Green call button while entering text, I get immediately escorted out of the screen for email / forum posting & get the contacts app running… since Apt does not have anything assigned to this hardware key, it might be nice if it could be included - if for no other purpose than to be able to disable that key in a given application (rather than including whatever amount of code it would take to use it as a trigger to do other things like launch apps, etc.) & Web / Blazer would certainly be the first place I'd use it…. I've lost so many emails-in-draft b/c I accidentally hit the Green phone h/w key….

Can Apt be made to do something like this?

Thanks in advance,

technical1

Re: getting Coordinates and other DA

dexMIlano (guest) 1246363561|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » getting Coordinates and other DA

much more confortable

thanks

and thanks for APT application!

dex

Re: getting Coordinates and other DA

Pgr 1246358344|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » getting Coordinates and other DA

In Apt, on the *Default* target, go to the "Buttons" tab.

Pick any Trigger you like to launch the Apt Menu, for example:

(2) Hrd3 | Apt | Menu

This would make the Apt Menu come up when you hold down the 3rd key for 2 seconds.

PS- about keeping time, if you use Nvbackup it has an option to synch your clock with some atomic clock on the Internet. This way you can schedule your nightly backups AND get your time right at the same time.

PPS- if you don't use NvBackup, you should. :-)

Re: getting Coordinates and other DA

dexMIlano (guest) 1246345374|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » getting Coordinates and other DA

more infos after a night of test.

On my treo 680 the 4th button arise the frequent-app-menu and so it is not available.
I didn't find where to change the default configuration for the apt-menu.

However i've found a very-hard-workaround.

Because the apt-menu:Getcoord is a DA you can install the DA launcher manager.
Unfortunately this ca be activated only using the "/" pen stroke that is not available on the treo keyboard; so I Installed Graffiti anywhere just to do it.
So, in any application (I need to integrate in APT) I pres the 1st button (default in GA) and I did the "/" stroke using the pen; doing this gesture the list of all DA appears and I can select GetCoord, then I press the button and the GetCoord popup window show me all information that I can type in the ad hoc field in APT.

As said a very-hard-workaround.
I hope the someone else will be able to find a much manageable solution.

By the way
I can confirm that on treo 680 the PhonOFF temporized function works very well, today I'll test a temporized function to align SNTP time using SNTP (a free application you can easiliy find on freewarepalm),
So I can definitively fix this stupid problem (Treo's clock is a little too fast).

dex

Re: getting Coordinates and other DA

Pgr 1246298632|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » getting Coordinates and other DA

On the left menu of this site, click "Tutorials and How-to's", then try "Getting ID's of Menus and Controls".

See if that helps, if not, come back here and ask for more help, I'll do my best…

PS - The "Apt Menu" is what comes up when you press the fourth button for 2 seconds inside any app except Apt itself (unless you have changed the default configuration).

getting Coordinates and other DA

dxMIlano (guest) 1246294229|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » getting Coordinates and other DA

Hallo to everyone.
I installed APT on my treo 680 and i think it si a very usefull application, but there is a thing i'm not absolutely able to solve:
how to retrieve the ID of a button/menu I've to tap in an application launched with APT or the coordinate to fire a tap over a control.
i.e. I didn't understand the sentence
"
You can use AptMenu:GetPoint in the target app to acquire the coordinate, …
"
Also the example didn't help me at all.

Could someone explain me this feature?

Thanks in advance

dex

Re: Tags and List Menu

technical1 (guest) 1245932327|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Apt / General Discussion » Tags and List Menu

[[toc]]bman, just go into the screen where the tag is defined & tap on the circle to the left of the "Tag" line. A dialog will pop up & you will be able to view & edit the name. Just be careful. You could potentially ruin expected functionality if the tag is 'called' by any other reference in the Default -> Buttons section….

Hope this helps, technical1